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#: 18170 S13/The GEOS Connection
15-Feb-89 22:47:37
Sb: #GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
To: All
In Appendix C, Font samples, starting on page 295 of the GEOS 2.0 manual,
are shown 11 different font samples. I noticed they all have what appears to
be an underline character, but there is no indication of how to access this
character on the C64 keyboard.
Can someone tell me how to get a typeless underline with GEOS fonts? Like
so many things, I'm sure it's easy if you know which keys to push.
Bob Clemens
#: 18174 S13/The GEOS Connection
15-Feb-89 23:22:44
Sb: #18170-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Transactor HQ 76703,4243
To: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
Hi Bob:
GEOS uses straight ASCII. To get an underscore, type a left-arrow. Backslash is
British pound. Shift + and - are curly braces. Type up-arrow for a caret.
Darned if I can remember how to get a tilde and vertical bar. I was trying to
experiment here but my terminal uses some of them for commands.
I think shifting the at-sign, asterisk or equals should get them. And the ASCII
"tick" too.
Malcolm
#: 18176 S13/The GEOS Connection
16-Feb-89 00:23:39
Sb: #18174-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
To: Transactor HQ 76703,4243
I believe you can also get an underline if you put in a row of shift-spaces and
then click on it and underline it, but I am not positive about that one. I know
that's how you do it with some other programs, but with my 128 sitting here
with a dead space bar I cannot check it out <sigh>
--M--
#: 18192 S13/The GEOS Connection
17-Feb-89 06:30:07
Sb: #18174-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
To: Transactor HQ 76703,4243
Malcolm,
Thanks for solving the great GEOS underline mystery. Where, if anywhere,
in the GEOS docs does this information appear??
Bob
#: 18208 S13/The GEOS Connection
17-Feb-89 21:58:05
Sb: #18170-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Walter Skorski 72411,1710
To: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532 (X)
On page 184 of the GEOS manual, there is a list of all the "strange"
characters not represented on the Commodore keyboard, and the keys to use to
enter them in GEOS. It says there that the underline character is entered by
holding C= and hitting the - key.
(Irrelevant Gripe: If "next page" is <C=+>, wouldn't it be logical to use
<C=-> for "previous page"? And wouldn't it be logical to use the same key
equivalents every other Commodore program uses, and that every hard-core
Commodore user is already familiar with? And wouldn't it be logical to reserve
all C= combinations for menu shortcuts?)
iksrokS retlaW<>Walter Skorski .
#: 18210 S13/The GEOS Connection
17-Feb-89 22:22:58
Sb: #18208-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Walter Skorski 72411,1710
Walter,
Good point on the keyboard usage. One of GEOS' selling points is the
universal interface, where all GEOS applications use the same menus and dialog
boxes. Carrying that through to the shortcuts would make a lot of sense.
#: 18215 S13/The GEOS Connection
18-Feb-89 06:42:03
Sb: #18208-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
To: Walter Skorski 72411,1710
Walter,
Thanks for the information. I did some experimentation on my own, and
found that I can get underlining by first selecting "underline" from the style
menu, then using the space bar. With each press of the bar, the underline
character is repeated.
But I'll try GEO's suggestion too. I found that shifted @, *, and = only
give more of those symbols!
Ah... Live and learn with good old GEOS!
Bob Clemens
#: 18216 S13/The GEOS Connection
18-Feb-89 06:53:25
Sb: #18174-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
To: Transactor HQ 76703,4243
Malcolm,
I followed your tips, and tried using the left arrow to get "naked"
underlining. Nothing happens. No character of any sort appears.
Also tried using [SHIFT] +,-,@,and *. All I got was more +,-,@, and *!
But... then I did something else: I selected "underline" from the style
menu. After this, with each stroke of the space bar, I get the underline
character, and continue to do so until I select "plain text." (Thanks to Marty
Brengle for the hint, although she didn't quite have it right.)
Now, do I get some kind of medal or plaque for this discovery? <grin>
Bob
#: 18218 S13/The GEOS Connection
18-Feb-89 07:48:22
Sb: #18215-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532 (X)
Bob,
I believe the underline character is normally assigned to the C= -
combination. Using underlined spaces is actually a pretty good trick, tho.
I've started seeing quite a few fonts where one or more of the "special"
characters has been designed as graphic images instead of their normal values.
For instance, the TORONTO font in our FONT10.BIN in LIB 13 has one character
set to the Canadian flag. FONTGORIA, in that same ARC file, has one character
set to be Dracula.
Unless it's an all-graphic extremely special font, tho, the space bar is
always going to give you a space, and the underline (and other styles) are part
of GEOS, not part of the font.
#: 18222 S13/The GEOS Connection
18-Feb-89 10:37:50
Sb: #18218-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
I kinda like the "dingbats" font, myself. But it makes things a little tough
to read. :)
--M--
#: 18230 S13/The GEOS Connection
18-Feb-89 18:56:47
Sb: #18218-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bob Clemens (Roch. NY) 76337,3532
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Ed,
My findings precisely. The C= - will NOT always give underlining,
depending on the specific font being used. But the space bar, used after
selecting "underline" from the style menu, WILL always give an underline.
Whew! <grin>
Bob
#: 18246 S13/The GEOS Connection
19-Feb-89 21:21:48
Sb: #18208-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Bill Roberson 73320,1550
To: Walter Skorski 72411,1710 (X)
Walter,
Please indicate which GEOS manual you are refering in future messages. I
looked in my GEOS 64 V1.2, GEOS 128 V1.?, GEOS programers guide, and finally
found what you were refering to on page 184 of both GEOS 64 V2.0 manuals.
If you want to know whick V2.0 manual you have look for the holes on the left
side (3 ring holes). The 3 hole manual is the same (as far as I know) except
for being incorrect on pages 144 and 145.
8) Bill 8)
#: 18327 S13/The GEOS Connection
24-Feb-89 21:21:03
Sb: #18174-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Walter Skorski 75265,727
To: Transactor HQ 76703,4243
Yeah, those are the keys they *should* have used. To summarize:
SENSIBLE STUPID STRANGE COMMODORE GEOS SYMBOL
EQIVALENT COMBINATION ----------- ------------- ------------<backslash>
<pound> <C= /> <underline> <back arrow> <C= -> <grave> <shift @>
<C= @> <braces> <shift +-> <C= []> <vertical> <shift pound> <C= up
arrow> <tilde> <pi> <C= *>
Unfortunately, this is not standardized, so many programmers feel they
can do it differently; but this is the most common and most logical
arrangement.
iksrokS retlaW<>Walter Skorski .
#: 18329 S13/The GEOS Connection
24-Feb-89 21:27:15
Sb: #18327-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Walter Skorski 75265,727
Welcome to the wonderful world of having a carefully formatted message eaten
alive by the message editor. <grin>
#: 18332 S13/The GEOS Connection
25-Feb-89 00:47:05
Sb: #18329-#GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Wonder if we can find a copy of Irv Hoff's Patented Guide To Posting
Unformatted around here somewhere? :)
--M--
#: 18333 S13/The GEOS Connection
25-Feb-89 01:00:28
Sb: #18332-GEOS underline w/o type
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Marte Brengle 76703,4242
You wouldn't happen to be familiar with an old blues song called "Don't Start
Me to Talkin'", would you? <grin>